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	<title>Comments on: David Kirby HuffPost, Take 2: My Original Story was Flawed, So Here&#8217;s A Second (&#8221;Corrected&#8221;) Story That&#8217;s Still Flawed, But I Hope I Can Snow You Under Again This Time&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Autism Blog - Huffington Post uses erroneous data to promote autism epidemic &#171; Left Brain/Right Brain</title>
		<link>http://epiwonk.com/?p=80#comment-787</link>
		<dc:creator>Autism Blog - Huffington Post uses erroneous data to promote autism epidemic &#171; Left Brain/Right Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It is also worth noting that the &#8220;corrected&#8221; version of Mr. Kirby&#8217;s blog post was also in error. Again, as noted by epiwonk, this time in his piece &#8220;David Kirby HuffPost, Take 2: My Original Story was Flawed, So Here&#8217;s A Second (&#8221;Correct...&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] It is also worth noting that the &#8220;corrected&#8221; version of Mr. Kirby&#8217;s blog post was also in error. Again, as noted by epiwonk, this time in his piece &#8220;David Kirby HuffPost, Take 2: My Original Story was Flawed, So Here&#8217;s A Second (&#8221;Correct&#8230;&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Autism Blog - Kirby launches torpedo at Verstraeten, sinks Geier &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</title>
		<link>http://epiwonk.com/?p=80#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>Autism Blog - Kirby launches torpedo at Verstraeten, sinks Geier &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If Mr. Kirby had shown himself open to such education, say when EpiWonk made it abundantly clear (twice) what Mr. Kirby&#8217;s mistakes were, perhaps it would be worth the staffer&#8217;s time to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] If Mr. Kirby had shown himself open to such education, say when EpiWonk made it abundantly clear (twice) what Mr. Kirby&#8217;s mistakes were, perhaps it would be worth the staffer&#8217;s time to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Dave</title>
		<link>http://epiwonk.com/?p=80#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daedalus2 is quite right.

People seem concerned about the integrity of science yet
this writer (Kirby) demonstrates a more chilling
indictment of journalistic integrity.

Again, if the facts are misrepresented Huffington 
editor Roy Sekoff ain't much of a Editor either.  

Note when you search Kirby on Huffington Post, Vacuum bags 
come up.  Coincidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daedalus2 is quite right.</p>
<p>People seem concerned about the integrity of science yet<br />
this writer (Kirby) demonstrates a more chilling<br />
indictment of journalistic integrity.</p>
<p>Again, if the facts are misrepresented Huffington<br />
editor Roy Sekoff ain&#8217;t much of a Editor either.  </p>
<p>Note when you search Kirby on Huffington Post, Vacuum bags<br />
come up.  Coincidence?</p>
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		<title>By: qchan63</title>
		<link>http://epiwonk.com/?p=80#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>qchan63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't find it hard to believe either. Witness what happened last year when the author of the book "Unstrange Minds" posted a comment to one of Kirby's Huffpost pieces under a pseudonym. Kirby, who apparently could see (and maybe still can?) commenters' underlying email addresses, chose to blab the author's real identity in a separate Web forum.

After this behavior was made known to the people who run Huffpost, Kirby apparently was compelled to issue the following apology:  

Dear List members

I have been informed by the editors of the Huffington Post that it is against the rules to reveal the identity of people who post comments on the blog.

I was not aware of that rule.

I apologize to Huffpost and, particularly, to Dr. Grinker, for the violation. Please do not attempt to contact him directly. He made his comment in the full belief that his identity would not be revealed, and we all need to respect that decision.

Again, my apologies to everyone.

David



(Autism Diva has a good account of the full episode at http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2007/07/california-autism-epidemic-gold-rush.html )

Leaving aside the questionable assertion that Kirby had NO IDEA it was wrong to reveal anonymous commenters' identities, that little kerfuffle would seem to make it clear there's lots of opportunity for comment monitoring and control over at Arianna's site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t find it hard to believe either. Witness what happened last year when the author of the book &#8220;Unstrange Minds&#8221; posted a comment to one of Kirby&#8217;s Huffpost pieces under a pseudonym. Kirby, who apparently could see (and maybe still can?) commenters&#8217; underlying email addresses, chose to blab the author&#8217;s real identity in a separate Web forum.</p>
<p>After this behavior was made known to the people who run Huffpost, Kirby apparently was compelled to issue the following apology:  </p>
<p>Dear List members</p>
<p>I have been informed by the editors of the Huffington Post that it is against the rules to reveal the identity of people who post comments on the blog.</p>
<p>I was not aware of that rule.</p>
<p>I apologize to Huffpost and, particularly, to Dr. Grinker, for the violation. Please do not attempt to contact him directly. He made his comment in the full belief that his identity would not be revealed, and we all need to respect that decision.</p>
<p>Again, my apologies to everyone.</p>
<p>David</p>
<p>(Autism Diva has a good account of the full episode at <a href="http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2007/07/california-autism-epidemic-gold-rush.html" rel="nofollow">http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2007/07/california-autism-epidemic-gold-rush.html</a> )</p>
<p>Leaving aside the questionable assertion that Kirby had NO IDEA it was wrong to reveal anonymous commenters&#8217; identities, that little kerfuffle would seem to make it clear there&#8217;s lots of opportunity for comment monitoring and control over at Arianna&#8217;s site.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://epiwonk.com/?p=80#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A friend e-mailed me that comments containing any mention of “Epi Wonk” are banned from the above-mentioned HuffPost article’s comment area. I find this hard to believe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A friend e-mailed me that comments containing any mention of “Epi Wonk” are banned from the above-mentioned HuffPost article’s comment area. I find this hard to believe.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Parsons</title>
		<link>http://epiwonk.com/?p=80#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I don’t know whether to be flattered or angry.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Absolutely flattered. When you retired, did you have any expectation that you would become so very potent and dangerous a force that even mention of your name would be forbidden? And to do that from such a recent start in the blogosphere. Goodness, you will be one of the shiniest stars in the med blogging firmament if this continues.

Seriously, you write about such matters so persuasively that I am looking to fill an obvious gap in my education. I confess to browsing various courses to see if feasible for me to investigate epidemiology and to brush up and refresh my knowledge of statistics (which is sadly out of date).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I don’t know whether to be flattered or angry.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely flattered. When you retired, did you have any expectation that you would become so very potent and dangerous a force that even mention of your name would be forbidden? And to do that from such a recent start in the blogosphere. Goodness, you will be one of the shiniest stars in the med blogging firmament if this continues.</p>
<p>Seriously, you write about such matters so persuasively that I am looking to fill an obvious gap in my education. I confess to browsing various courses to see if feasible for me to investigate epidemiology and to brush up and refresh my knowledge of statistics (which is sadly out of date).</p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
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		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a publication limits comments not solely to eliminate spam, derogatory and defamatory content, and limits comments content to only that it agrees with, that publication isn't doing journalism; it is doing one sided advocacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a publication limits comments not solely to eliminate spam, derogatory and defamatory content, and limits comments content to only that it agrees with, that publication isn&#8217;t doing journalism; it is doing one sided advocacy.</p>
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		<title>By: EpiWonk</title>
		<link>http://epiwonk.com/?p=80#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>EpiWonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Heraclides: I agree with you, but I don't think I can do anything to influence Huffington Post policy on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Heraclides: I agree with you, but I don&#8217;t think I can do anything to influence Huffington Post policy on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Heraclides</title>
		<link>http://epiwonk.com/?p=80#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Heraclides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@EpiWonk: If true, you're apparently not the only one blocked from posting—seems Orac is too (he mentioned this in the comments in one of his blogs very recently). 

My own views are that its perfectly fine to remove people that are clearly spamming or posting inflammatory or offensive material and the like, as many blogs clearly do, but it seems a mite inconsistent to react to a particular person (or people) as David obviously has, then ban references to them! (In this, I mean not just reacting to you, but others too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@EpiWonk: If true, you&#8217;re apparently not the only one blocked from posting—seems Orac is too (he mentioned this in the comments in one of his blogs very recently). </p>
<p>My own views are that its perfectly fine to remove people that are clearly spamming or posting inflammatory or offensive material and the like, as many blogs clearly do, but it seems a mite inconsistent to react to a particular person (or people) as David obviously has, then ban references to them! (In this, I mean not just reacting to you, but others too.)</p>
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		<title>By: EpiWonk</title>
		<link>http://epiwonk.com/?p=80#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>EpiWonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mary Parsons: Unfortunately, Mr. Kirby has much more influence with Dean Huffington than Professor Epi Wonk does.  A friend e-mailed me that comments containing any mention of "Epi Wonk" are banned from the above-mentioned HuffPost article's comment area.  I find this hard to believe.  If it's true, I don't know whether to be flattered or angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mary Parsons: Unfortunately, Mr. Kirby has much more influence with Dean Huffington than Professor Epi Wonk does.  A friend e-mailed me that comments containing any mention of &#8220;Epi Wonk&#8221; are banned from the above-mentioned HuffPost article&#8217;s comment area.  I find this hard to believe.  If it&#8217;s true, I don&#8217;t know whether to be flattered or angry.</p>
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